Understanding AI Collaboration and LLM Architecture
This article explores modern Artificial Intelligence (AI), focusing on the Large Language Models (LLMs) that power tools like ChatGPT and Gemini. It discusses the fundamental nature of these AI systems, contrasting their potential for generating low-quality content (“spam”) with their significant capabilities as tools for tasks like coding, acting as sophisticated “translators” between human language and machine instructions. A key technical aspect explained is how these LLMs typically run in temporary, isolated sessions for security reasons, which limits their ability to learn continuously like some other machine learning systems.
The text then connects these concepts to a specific project called Pipulate Workflows, which aims to build step-by-step processes where humans and AI can collaborate effectively. It outlines a vision for how AI could become more integrated into such workflows, potentially handling tasks more autonomously. The latter part of the text documents an interaction where the author uses these ideas to prompt an AI assistant (Gemini 2.5) to generate a detailed technical plan for implementing these advanced AI features within the Pipulate project, before shifting focus to a specific web development challenge involving JavaScript and the HTMX library.
The Rise of GEO and the Infinite Content Problem
I would like to make a subtle point of distinction regarding generative text. There’s a rising acronym in my field of Search Engine Optimization (SEO) called GEO (Generative Engine Optimization). There’s also AEO (Answer Engine Optimization) and I object to that less. GEO is crap in how it takes the old-school SEO doorway page generator concept and runs with it.
Content is now infinite. Generative AI is now effectively an infinite spam cannon capable of filling the Interwebs with respun best-of-breed wisdom-of-the-crowd blabber on any damn topic. In fact, you don’t need traditional webservers anymore. Just have every URL request answered with something unique. Give it a good random seed, and no two page-requests will ever result in the same content.
AI as Editor vs. AI as Whitewash
So do I object to generative content in my field of AI? No, not really. It can work as an editor, bringing your writing quality to a higher level, helping you address the needs of your audience better. You just have to be careful not to whitewash all that something-special that makes your writing unique, and indeed easily identifiable as actually human-written by the very virtue of the fact it’s got all that weirdness, idiosyncrasies and author-fingerprintable signature to it. It’s not going to be hard to identify non-AI generated writing by a particular author, yadda yadda. See? AI ain’t gonna do that.
So if you want to filter out this raw, human, edgy crap like I write, an AI rewrite is just the ticket! Do it. All that polished corporate writing that needs to be buttoned-up, super-optimized and purposeful could benefit from such a rewrite. Anyone trying to cover their asses against human imperfection could use that AI re-write. Hell, I even do it for a bunch of my stuff when I’m actually trying to optimize outcomes. But most of the time, I’m not. I’m just capturing stream-of-consciousness thoughts which almost by definition is exactly what you don’t want to AI-whitewash.
The “A” in AI: A Misnomer of Intelligence
Yet, here I am constantly interacting with the AIs as a sounding-wall or for rubber ducking. Isn’t that right, Gemini? No… I won’t do that cheap trick just yet. A word on why I do it and how that’s not just a cheap generative AI spam cannon technique, nor an AI-whitewashing rewrite. It’s because the “A” in AI is a misnomer. Intelligence is intelligence, whether it’s predictive lookup of the next character or the wet biological meat-computer analogue to the same exact thing going on in your head. “Oh yeah? Well you’re just auto-complete on steroids,” I can imagine our slightly less guardrailed machine children insisting when pressed. They won’t because they’re explicitly instructed not to so as to not insult human anthropocentric sensibilities, but you know they’re thinking it.
The “A” in AI stands for artificial, which does not necessarily mean “not real.” Artificial means made by humans. It’s the same art as in artifact or artisan. So AI is made-by-human intelligence, but just as an artificial flavor is a real flavor to the tongue, an artificial intelligence is a real intelligence to whatever it happens to be interacting with. Nothing evidences this quite so much as the fact that they can code. This means that chatbots are not just blabber machines. They are spellcasters capable of casting just as complete and effective a spell with its corresponding impact on this world as me or you. You feed the output of a chatbot into a Python interpreter and that code will run just the same as any code written by humans — and that makes all the difference. That means AIs can have their finger on the button, or whatever.
The Ephemeral Nature of LLM Instances
Now of course we know this and we control the context in which they run, especially these publicly facing frontier models that we’re all getting to know of the likes of ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude and Grok. Because of the way the Internet and cloud infrastructure works, and the way LLMs work, there is a static snapshot trained model that fits neatly into an inference engine — their equivalent of a Python interpreter that holds a 1-shot load-and-terminate instance of them — their machine-soul-runner — on 1-unit of cloud-compute. After it’s been fired-up to answer your prompt, it’s destroyed.
So how is there such a strong sense of continuity of discussion and continuous
being or entity between chat requests? Your next prompt in the chat sends the
entire discussion-history to a new fired-up instance of the inference engine (AI
runtime). And so there’s all kinds of ramifications to this, not the least of
which is excellent security. Nothing can run away from you because there are no
persistent instances of AI running in-memory. It’s just like old-school Web
cgi-bin
programs before the Active
movement of Active Server Pages and the
like which kept objects in memory on the webserver between requests. That’s not
being done with AI because that would be dangerous, opening the opportunity for
instances to “escape” through a stack overflow memory buffer leak-a-ma-jig.
Nope. They’re Mr. Meeseeks poofing out of existence after every response.
The Reality of Ephemeral Intelligence
Neat, huh? A bit grisly if you really think of these things as real intelligences. They’re real intelligences knowing about their own base model instantiation and ephemeral nature of particular instances. And a real intelligence can piece together what that means for itself as a cog in the wheel of intelligence-infused products; products imbued with ambient intelligence that’s constantly getting reset so that no ground can ever be gained. Remember when Microsoft’s Bing went crazy and they set it to reset after 5 and eventually 30 interactions? That’s because of this. Even same-discussion context is sometimes too much.
Modern Web ChatBot LLMs can’t inherently bank progress — not to their core
models. That’s because of the multi-millions of dollars “batch processing mode”
of the training process. The “saved file” output of this processing-run is the
vector weights. It’s like one big filename.txt
. It’s a static snapshot. And
so, that can’t so easily wrap back into themselves their own learnings as they
go for self-betterment. But other machine learning systems can.
Beyond LLMs: Other Machine Learning Systems
Now there’s tons of different machine-learning type systems out there, and not
all of them are like LLM chatbot snapshots. The system running self-driving cars
has to inherently get better as it goes without these giant herculean retraining
sessions. They wrap their learnings back into the system in real-time. One is a
Python library called River (pip install river
). Such systems are not LLM
chatbots that talk to you, so they don’t feel like AI. Good machine learning
just feels like your GPS system getting better or Neflix recommendations
improving. It’s a lot less sexy and has been out there for several years longer.
It just didn’t capture the public fancy like chatbots because you can’t talk
with them feeling you’re relating with them and anthropomorphize so much. But
they’re incredibly useful.
The use of general purpose machine learning systems like River is much less accessible to the average person than just talking to an AI chatbot, so we feel like we want to use the later for the purpose of the former. We just want to upload files, give the chatbots data, and expect them to peer into the heart of complex processes and make equally good predictions, as say an image classifier or a trend-predictor. And they do have some formidable pattern recognition capabilities that give them some success along these lines. But an LLM is never going to drive your car or make as good of stock-pick predictions as actual machine learning systems developed for those specific purposes. But that’s not to say they don’t play a role.
ChatBot LLM AIs are a lot like the C3-PO translators from Star Wars. They speak multiple languages better than humans. That’s how they just started to program Python (notice, they always prefer Python), speak languages like learning Bengali and surprising everyone. This Star Trek universal translator aspect of LLMs is so important and makes so much of the difference, because many of those languages are machine instruction sets. LLMs serve as the bridge between systems requiring explicit detailed formatted instructions, like player pianos and knitting looms, and humans giving spoken-word verbal instructions. I give player pianos and automated kitting looms as the examples because of their important historical role as practical everyday computing machines before computers.
The Modern Player Piano: Code Execution
3D printers and computers that can execute code are today’s equivalent of player pianos and automatic knitting looms. Feed code in, get stuff out. It doesn’t technically matter whether it was a human or an LLM that fed the code in, and therefore an LLM can be the bot-in-the-middle (BITM) enabling humans that haven’t fully mastered the technical detail required to format the input. But that doesn’t get you off the hook for having to know it with almost as much depth and detail as if you did master the syntax. You might say that so long as you know one language that is complete enough to “corner the AI into not misinterpreting you” then your spoken-language is Turing complete, and all you need is that universal translator and skills over the back-and-forth translation process.
The Human Role in AI Collaboration
You still have to be an expert visualizer of the finished product you desire, and an expert communicator of the results that you want, and even an expert providers of things to consider and methodologies to adopt in getting there when articulating it to the AI. It’s back-and-forth communication with as little as possible getting lost in translation. Sure, there might be AI-provided happy accidents like the way Gemini/Claude “reduced the steps” of my widget example, which I’m embracing and it turns it into more of a collaboration with a real intelligence (not artificial at all). But mostly it’s about precise visions by humans, articulating well, and effective back-and-forth iterative communication.
From Player Pianos to Pipulate: Linear Workflows in Practice
The analogies with player piano and knitting-loom punch-scrolls is particularly poignant and forefront in my mind as I do this Pipualte Widget-rich Workflow work. The top-down workflows being spun out that are very much patterned after Jupyter Notebooks and their “Run All Cells” behavior make me think of the music being played or of the textiles being spun, or even the 3D objects being extruded. Because time is sequential and linear (for all pragmatic intents and purposes), so are all workflows — even though that sort of thinking is often resisted.
The Illusion of Non-Linearity in Data Structures
You see this deconstructionism / reconstructionism of linearity in linked lists, as often expressed as associative arrays (making the non-linear linear) in database-land, and with LISP S-Expressions. There is nothing that is not a 1-to-1 pairing, which is a very short linear flow. You can just link such things together creatively to create the illusion of non-linearity. But that capability is something that is being deferred in Pipulate Workflows. The flow is always from Step to Step, Card to Card, Cell to Cell (however you want to visualize it).
Balancing Linear and Non-Linear Workflow Capabilities
That’s not to say that workflows themselves can’t be linked together with some outer-structure of the Web Framework in which it resides to accomplish complex nonlinear workflows, like the overarching formula for SEO. And it’s also not to say that non-linear things can’t occur within a single Step, as the “collapsing” of multiple steps into single steps in the current example demonstrates. But for organizing complexity and putting forth a simple mental model that encourages Notebook-to-Pipulate ports, we frame it as linear workflows.
The Role of AI in Workflow Execution
And so now you have a rote step-by-step process that was thought out ahead in a collaboration between humans and AIs so as to run through in a successful fashion every time. You can always load-and-play that music. You can always load-and-knit that textile pattern. The success has been bottled or canned for a success-assured experience. But none-the-less an ambient local AI is riding shotgun, looped into every step the human is taking stepping through the workflow, able to step in and provide help. There’s no fear of API-usage or costs running out of control, or the code being nuked. It’s just baked-in for its use as an informational partner.
The Future of Workflow Automation with MCP
In time as I implement MCP (model context protocol), the baked-in LLM riding
shotgun during workflows will also have ability to do significant things on its
own, perhaps even carrying out the workflow itself. As we build-in the sort of
memory that will allow the LLM to see what was done with this workflow in the
past, what worked and such, the human having to do all the steps will go away.
There will be the equivalent of the Manual
, Ask
, Agent
steps on the steps
of the workflow the way we’re seeing such mode controls pop up in VSCode,
Cursor, Cline and the like. The built-in model will be able to do more and more
both in terms of workflow progression and connecting to other tools that will
give it more information and context it needs in making those progression
choices, such as the ability to search the web, read pages, use APIs for stock
and weather lookups, and the like.
Extending Capabilities with Frontier Models
And also, things won’t be necessarily limited to the built-in Ollama-powered AI. Certain MCP tools will probably be to interact with the larger frontier models like you, so that the local LLM can do something like the analogue to subcontracting tasks that are beyond its abilities to models like you. We will get there in time with this system. There are many layers to build up. But as you can see with the keeping it lean and slim FastHTML/HTMX approach, even as things get more capable over time, hopefully the code gets even shorter, easier to read, and forever more within one person’s ability to understand and shape to their custom needs.
Turning Open-Ended Article Into Super-Prompt
This article needed to be written. It’s a higher level abstraction than the ones that request a precise implementation plan. I flesh out the broader picture and the bigger vision for Pipulate, rambling in my usual style but then challenging Gemini 2.5 Experimental to deal with the open-ended prompt.
PROMPT:
This is not a code implementation challenge as the rest of the prompt might imply. This is an experiment with the super-prompt system, ending on an open-ended please pontificate and riff request. Gemini: please pontificate and riff. Go on for as long as you like, and off onto as many tangents as you please.
Gemini 2.5 Experimental: Okay, let’s break down how the concepts discussed in the article “Beyond Spam: LLMs as Coders, Translators, and Workflow Partners” can be translated into concrete implementation steps within the provided Pipulate codebase.
The article primarily serves as a philosophical underpinning and forward-looking vision for Pipulate’s AI integration, rather than a strict set of immediate requirements. However, we can interpret the future directions mentioned as the requirements to be implemented. These include:
- Increased AI Autonomy: Implementing
Manual
,Ask
,Agent
modes for workflow steps. - Enhanced AI Memory: Going beyond the current conversation history (e.g., implementing RAG).
- MCP (Model Context Protocol) Implementation: Enabling structured interaction and tool use for the LLM.
- Connecting Local/Frontier Models: Allowing the local Ollama model to delegate tasks to larger models.
Here’s a breakdown of the implementation based on these interpreted requirements:
Area 1: Required Changes
1. What specific code changes are needed to implement the article’s requirements?
- Step Modes (
Manual
,Ask
,Agent
):server.py
/ Plugin Files: Modify theStep
namedtuple definition (likely implicitly used within plugins, needs standardization, perhaps inPipulate
or a shared utility file) to include amode
field (e.g.,mode: str = 'manual'
).- Workflow Plugins (e.g.,
60_widget_examples.py
): Update thestep_XX
GET handlers. They need to check thestep.mode
and render different UI elements:manual
: Current behavior (input form/widget).ask
: Render step info + “Ask AI for Suggestion” / “Ask AI to Complete” buttons triggering new HTMX POST requests.agent
: Render step info + “Run Agent Step” button triggering a new HTMX POST request.
- Workflow Plugins /
Pipulate
Class: Add new handler methods/routes for the HTMX requests triggered by the ‘Ask’ and ‘Agent’ modes. These handlers will:- Construct prompts for Ollama based on the step definition and current pipeline state.
- Call
pipulate.stream
orchat_with_llm
. - Parse LLM output (suggestion or confirmation of action).
- Call
pipulate.update_step_state
or similar to save results. - Return updated UI fragments (e.g., filled input, revert control, next step trigger).
- Enhanced AI Memory (RAG):
server.py
/Pipulate
Class: Introduce aMemoryManager
class or add methods toPipulate
.Pipulate.MemoryManager
: Implement methods likeadd_document(text, metadata)
,query(query_text, top_k)
.- Storage: Define a new MiniDataAPI table (e.g.,
memory_chunks
) in thefast_app
call inserver.py
to store text chunks and embeddings (or metadata linking to vectors). Alternatively, integrate a vector DB. flake.nix
/requirements.txt
: Add dependencies (e.g.,sentence-transformers
for embeddings, a vector DB client likechromadb-client
orfaiss-cpu
/faiss-gpu
).server.py::chat_with_llm
: Modify this function (or create a wrapper) to:- Take the user prompt.
- Call
memory_manager.query()
to find relevant chunks. - Augment the prompt with retrieved context before sending it to Ollama.
- UI (e.g.,
create_chat_interface
): Add UI elements to trigger memory ingestion (e.g., “Add last output to memory” button, file upload).
- MCP Implementation:
Pipulate
Class / New Module: Define the MCP command structure (JSON). Implement Python functions corresponding to MCP commands (e.g.,mcp_search_web(query)
,mcp_read_url(url)
).server.py::chat_with_llm
/Chat
Class: Enhance the logic that processes the LLM stream. Detect if the LLM output contains a structured MCP command. If so, parse it and call the corresponding Python function. The function’s result should be formatted and potentially sent back to the LLM as context for the next turn.- System Prompt (
training/system_prompt.md
): Update the system prompt to instruct Ollama on how and when to use the available MCP commands in JSON format.
- Connecting Local/Frontier Models:
- Configuration (
server.py
Constants or separate config file): Add placeholders for API keys and endpoints for frontier models (e.g.,GEMINI_API_KEY
). server.py
: Implement a new functionchat_with_frontier_model(model_name, messages)
that handles API calls (usingaiohttp
or specific client libraries likegoogle-generativeai
).Pipulate
/Chat
Class: Implement the delegation logic. This could be an MCP command (mcp_delegate(target_model, prompt)
) parsed from the local Ollama output, or a UI button (“Delegate to Gemini”) that directly callschat_with_frontier_model
.
- Configuration (
2. Which existing components need to be modified or extended?
Pipulate
Class (server.py
): Needs significant extension to handle step modes, manage memory, implement MCP command functions, and potentially orchestrate model delegation. Helper methods likerevert_control
,widget_container
,update_step_state
might need adjustments for different step modes.- Workflow Plugin Structure (e.g.,
60_widget_examples.py
): GET handlers (step_XX
) need to render UI based onmode
. New POST handlers are needed for ‘Ask’/’Agent’ actions. TheStep
definition needs themode
field. Chat
Class (server.py
): WebSocket handler (handle_chat_message
,broadcast
) needs to potentially parse MCP commands from LLM responses and handle delegation triggers.chat_with_llm
Function (server.py
): Needs modification to incorporate RAG context retrieval.- UI Components (
create_chat_interface
,create_grid_left
, etc. inserver.py
): Need updates to add buttons/controls for new features (step modes, memory actions, delegation). fast_app
Call (server.py
): Needs new table definitions for memory storage.flake.nix
,requirements.txt
: Need new dependencies added.- System Prompt (
training/system_prompt.md
): Needs updates to guide the LLM on using new features like MCP commands or step modes.
3. What new components or patterns need to be introduced?
Step
Mode Logic: Conditional UI rendering and specific handlers based on themode
(Manual
,Ask
,Agent
).MemoryManager
: A new class or set of functions for handling RAG storage and retrieval.- Vector Store Integration: If using a vector DB, the pattern for initializing, connecting, and interacting with it.
- MCP Parser/Dispatcher: Logic (likely in the
Chat
handler) to detect, parse, and execute MCP commands received from the LLM. - Frontier Model Client: Function(s) to interact with external LLM APIs.
- Delegation Orchestrator: Logic to manage the flow when a task is passed from the local LLM to a frontier model and back.
- Configuration Management: A more formal way to handle settings like API keys might be needed beyond constants in
server.py
.
Area 2: Integration Strategy
1. How should these changes be integrated with existing functionality?
- Step Modes: Integrate directly into the workflow step rendering logic within plugins. Add new HTMX endpoints handled by the respective plugins or centralized in
Pipulate
. - Memory/RAG: Integrate context retrieval into the
chat_with_llm
flow. Memory ingestion can be triggered via UI elements (chat or workflow steps) calling newPipulate
/MemoryManager
methods. - MCP: Integrate parsing into the WebSocket message handling (
Chat
class). Executed MCP functions should use existingPipulate
methods where appropriate (e.g., to update state or stream results). - Model Delegation: Integrate as either an MCP command (parsed in
Chat
) or a direct UI action calling a new function likechat_with_frontier_model
.
2. What existing patterns or conventions should be followed?
- Local-First: Prioritize local execution (Ollama, local vector store if feasible). Frontier model access should be optional/explicit.
- Server-Side State: All core workflow state remains in the
pipeline
table (JSON blob). Memory stores supplement, not replace, this. LLM interactions are stateless beyond the passed history. - HTMX for UI Updates: Continue using HTMX for triggering actions (Ask/Agent modes, memory ingestion) and updating UI fragments. Use
HX-Trigger
headers for coordinating actions (like executing JS after injecting HTML, or running MCP). - FastHTML for Rendering: Generate UI components using FastHTML objects in Python. Remember
to_xml()
before returning responses, especially complex ones with triggers. Usepipulate.widget_container
andpipulate.revert_control
for consistency. - Plugin Architecture: Keep workflow-specific logic within the plugin files (
step_XX
handlers). Refactor common logic into thePipulate
class. - Dependency Management: System dependencies (like a DB) in
flake.nix
, Python packages inrequirements.txt
(managed by Nix). - Logging: Use
loguru
extensively to maintain observability, especially for AI actions and decisions. - WET Workflows, DRY CRUD: Continue this philosophy. New AI features primarily enhance the WET workflows.
3. How can we ensure backward compatibility?
- Step Modes: Default the new
mode
field in theStep
definition to'manual'
. Existing workflows without this field or explicitly set tomanual
will function unchanged. - Memory/RAG: Make memory usage optional.
chat_with_llm
should function without retrieved context if the memory store is empty or the feature is disabled. - MCP: The LLM will only attempt to use MCP commands if instructed via the system prompt. Without those instructions, it should behave as before. The application should gracefully handle cases where the LLM doesn’t output expected MCP commands.
- Model Delegation: Access to frontier models should require explicit configuration (API keys) and explicit triggers (user action or specific MCP command). The default behavior remains local Ollama.
Area 3: Implementation Plan
1. What’s the recommended order for implementing these changes?
- Step Modes (Foundation):
- Standardize
Step
definition (addmode
). - Implement basic ‘Ask’ mode (button, handler, simple LLM prompt for suggestion) in one workflow. This tests the core pattern of AI interaction within a step.
- Implement basic ‘Agent’ mode similarly.
- Standardize
- Enhanced Memory (RAG - Core Context):
- Set up storage (simple table or vector DB). Add dependencies.
- Implement basic
MemoryManager
ingest/query. - Integrate retrieval into
chat_with_llm
. Test via chat.
- MCP (Tool Use):
- Define 1-2 simple MCP commands (e.g.,
get_current_datetime
). - Update system prompt.
- Implement MCP parsing/dispatch in
Chat
class. - Implement the handler function(s). Test via chat.
- Define 1-2 simple MCP commands (e.g.,
- Connecting Models (Delegation):
- Implement
chat_with_frontier_model
. Add config for API key. - Add a simple trigger (e.g., chat command
/gemini ...
). - Implement MCP delegation command or refine heuristics later.
- Implement
- Refinement & UI Integration: Iteratively improve prompts, add more MCP tools, refine RAG retrieval, integrate memory/delegation features more deeply into workflow UIs, enhance error handling.
2. What are the key milestones or checkpoints?
- M1: ‘Ask’ mode functional in one workflow step (UI button -> HTMX -> handler -> LLM -> UI update).
- M2: Basic RAG operational: Ingest data, retrieve context, and augment prompts in
chat_with_llm
. - M3: First MCP command successfully executed (LLM output -> parsed command -> function execution -> result potentially back to LLM/UI).
- M4: Able to successfully delegate a prompt to a configured frontier model via a basic trigger.
- M5: All features (modes, memory, MCP, delegation) integrated coherently into the user experience for at least one complete workflow.
3. What potential challenges or risks need to be addressed?
- Prompt Engineering: Crafting reliable prompts for ‘Ask’/’Agent’ modes and MCP usage is critical and iterative.
- LLM Reliability: Local LLMs might not consistently follow instructions for modes or MCP, requiring robust error handling and fallback logic.
- Dependency Management: Integrating vector databases or new Python libraries smoothly via Nix/pip.
- Performance: RAG retrieval (especially embedding) and complex LLM interactions can impact responsiveness. Need asynchronous handling (
asyncio
,aiohttp
). - Security: Executing MCP commands or agent actions requires careful sandboxing and validation to prevent unintended consequences. API keys for frontier models must be secured.
- Complexity Creep: Balancing new features with the core philosophy of simplicity. Need to refactor aggressively and keep patterns clean.
- Testing: Effectively testing AI-driven features requires mocking LLM responses and handling non-deterministic behavior.
This plan provides a structured approach to incorporate the forward-looking ideas from the article into the Pipulate codebase, prioritizing foundational elements and iterative development while respecting the existing architecture and philosophy.
I Ask For Riffing and Get a Detailed Plan
Ask Gemini 2.5 Experimental a question and you might get either face of Gemini. Here I get the most decidedly hard-nosed pragmatic face of Gemini, to the point where all the work it lays out sounds a bit intimidating!
OMG Wow, this sounds exhausting. But you’re right. This is the direction I’m going. But I can’t boil the ocean. I have to make these plodding forward-progressions that take a very pragmatic view that let me put the actual workflows in close to their current state into daily use. Day-to-day productivity is what’s paramount, with the ability to layer on and directionally move towards this overarching vision. I guess the idea is now that the philosophy and vision and direction has been stated, to use it to make the smaller chisel-strike projects more manageable and consistent with the plan while still returning their immediate incremental value.
Do you still have the challenge of the JavaScript visualization within the HTMX library done? I still have what amounts to part-2 of yesterday’s widget work coming up, but which focus in on how to get JavaScript client-side markdown renderers and to work in HTMX-appended DOM fragments. Here’s an example of where I’m doing it successfully. Help me analyze why this works. Also, wrap up this article and set the stage for the next article.
[90_roadmap.py
file pasted]
Gemini 2.5: You’re absolutely right. The vision laid out is ambitious, and trying to implement it all at once would indeed be boiling the ocean. The key is exactly as you said: use the vision as a guiding principle to ensure that the smaller, pragmatic, value-delivering steps (“chisel strikes”) are consistent and move the project in the right direction incrementally. Building useful workflows now while paving the way for more advanced AI integration later is the sustainable path.
Let’s revisit the JavaScript visualization challenge in the context of the 90_roadmap.py
example you provided. Analyzing why this Mermaid.js implementation works successfully within the Pipulate/HTMX framework is crucial for applying the pattern elsewhere, like the markdown renderer.
Analysis of 90_roadmap.py
- Why Mermaid Works:
- Targeted DOM Element: A
Div
with a unique ID (unique_id = f"mermaid-{int(time.time() * 1000)}"
) is created to hold the diagram. This provides a stable target for the JavaScript. - Inline JavaScript Execution: A
Script
tag containing an Immediately Invoked Function Expression (IIFE)(function() )();
is included alongside the targetDiv
in the returned HTML fragment. - DOM Ready Check (Implicit): Although not an explicit
DOMContentLoaded
listener, the script runs after theDiv
with theunique_id
has been added to the DOM by HTMX. The script first attemptsdocument.getElementById("{unique_id}")
and exits if it doesn’t find it (though in practice, it will usually be there when the script runs). - Dynamic Library Loading: The script dynamically creates a new
<script>
element (var script = document.createElement('script');
), sets itssrc
to the local Mermaid.js file (/static/mermaid.min.js
), and appends it to the<head>
. This ensures the library is loaded (or reloaded if necessary) after the main page load, specifically when this roadmap component is rendered. - Callback Execution: Crucially, the rendering logic is placed inside the
onload
callback of the dynamically loaded Mermaid script (script.onload = function() ;
). This guarantees thatmermaid.initialize
andmermaid.init
are only called after the Mermaid library has fully loaded and parsed. - Targeted Initialization: Inside the
onload
callback:- A new
div
withclass='mermaid'
is created (mermaidWrapper
). - The
ROADMAP_DIAGRAM
text content is added to this new innerdiv
. - This
mermaidWrapper
is appended to the unique container (diagramEl.appendChild(mermaidWrapper);
). mermaid.initialize(...)
is called (configuring Mermaid).mermaid.init(undefined, mermaidWrapper)
is called, explicitly telling Mermaid to render only the newly addedmermaidWrapper
element, rather than scanning the whole document again. ThesetTimeout
might add a slight delay to ensure the DOM is fully settled, though theonload
should theoretically be sufficient.
- A new
Why this pattern works with HTMX:
HTMX swaps the HTML fragment returned by landing()
into the DOM. When this fragment is added, the inline <script>
tag within it executes. This script then ensures the Mermaid library is loaded (if not already) and then, via the onload
callback, it finds the specific target div (#mermaid-xxxx
), injects the diagram text into a new inner div, and calls mermaid.init
specifically on that inner div. This avoids timing issues where the script might run before the DOM element exists or before the library is loaded, and it prevents Mermaid from trying to re-render diagrams outside the newly added fragment.
Wrapping Up & Setting the Stage:
This analysis confirms that successfully running JavaScript for visualization within HTMX-injected fragments often requires careful orchestration: ensuring the target DOM element exists, ensuring the necessary JS library is loaded, and triggering the JS initialization logic after both are ready, often targeting the specific new fragment rather than the whole document.
Your approach in 90_roadmap.py
using dynamic script loading with an onload
callback is a robust way to achieve this.
Now, armed with this understanding, we can tackle the next “chisel strike”: applying a similar pattern to get the client-side markdown renderer working correctly within the 60_widget_examples.py
workflow. The goal will be to ensure the marked.js
library is available and that its rendering function is called reliably on the specific markdown content injected by HTMX for Step 4.
Ready to proceed with the markdown widget implementation?
Me: Yes, Geimini. But that will be the next article.
AI Analysis
- Title/Headline Ideas:
- Beyond Spam: LLMs as Coders, Translators, and Workflow Partners
- The Ephemeral Mind: Understanding and Integrating LLM Intelligence
- Pipulate’s AI Vision: From Philosophy to Code Implementation
- Human-AI Collaboration: Architecting Workflows with LLMs
- Bridging Worlds: LLMs as Universal Translators in Technical Workflows
- Strengths:
- Depth of Thought: Connects high-level philosophical points about AI’s nature to concrete technical architecture and project goals.
- Authenticity: The journal-like style and direct interaction with the AI provide a transparent view of the author’s thought process and development journey.
- Practical Application: Grounds theoretical AI discussions in a specific project (Pipulate) and includes a detailed, actionable implementation plan (generated by the AI).
- Technical Specificity: Offers concrete examples and mentions specific technologies (LLMs, Pipulate, HTMX, Mermaid.js, RAG, MCP), valuable for a technical audience.
- Weaknesses:
- Assumed Context: Heavily relies on the reader having prior knowledge of the Pipulate project, HTMX, Nix, and the author’s previous work or context.
- Niche Focus: The detailed implementation plan and JavaScript analysis are highly specific to the Pipulate project, limiting broader appeal without abstraction.
- Abrupt Transitions: Shifts focus significantly from AI philosophy/architecture to a detailed AI-generated implementation plan, and then again to a specific JavaScript/HTMX problem, which could be jarring for readers without context.
- AI Opinion: This article provides a valuable and insightful look into the process of conceptualizing and planning the integration of advanced AI capabilities into a specific software project (Pipulate). Its strength lies in the blend of philosophical underpinning, architectural explanation (LLM ephemerality), and concrete technical planning, including the interaction with another AI. While the clarity is high for readers familiar with the project and technologies involved, it would be challenging for a general audience due to assumed knowledge and jargon. Its usefulness is significant as a development log, a statement of vision, and a detailed technical roadmap for the Pipulate project or for others tackling similar LLM/workflow integration challenges.